Mostly Doctor Who

[mayamaia]

You know, maybe I should spend some time watching Four and Sarah Jane. And I should get some headphones so I can do it at Barefoot. Maybe I should just go to Barefoot regardless.

Because I can take better care of myself if I get out of the house, right?

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I was just thinking... the first day he's alive, Ten personally kills someone. So I tried to figure out how many times Nine did, and I'm not sure what exactly to count. He let Cassandra explode and incorporated personally killing the bad guy into a number of plans, but... never actually got to do it. Not even once.

So. Times I can remember the Doctor actually, personally, killing. Note: I tend not to remember if he was the one who set an explosion, so I'm probably missing any of those.

One: Can't think of a time. But he did beat dudes with his cane.

Two: Not sure about a few moments (it's been a while since I watched them), but I'm going to go out on a limb and just count what he did at the end of Evil of the Doctor Daleks. He may not have physically held a weapon, but he pointed the adorable childlike Jaime-Daleks in the direction of the full Daleks and instructed them to start a genocide in self-defense.

Three: No personal kills I can think of. (That's what UNIT was for.) Did personally give an order for a nuclear strike on the Sea Devils. Who threw the recorder at Omega, Two or Three? Should bringing the crystal to the spider queen count?

Four: Sutekh counts (even if it was by old age). Morbius by exhaustion? Eldrad by scarf-tripping. Rutans by heat and diamond laser. The Swarm by igniting Titan's atmosphere. Great Vampire by spaceship ram. I can't remember more, but I'm sure there are some. He was very hands-on.

Five: Omega (again) by some weird disintegrator beam. Picked up a revolver and shot a decanted dalek until he ran out of bullets.

Six: Shot a cyberman in the back. I still refuse to watch him, though, so I don't know otherwise.

Seven: Can't think of a time.

Eight: No?

Nine: Boy, he tried, didn't he? But... Rose did the Nestenes, Cassandra just didn't get help, Gwyneth got the Gelth, Mickey got the Slitheen, the Dalek killed itself, Cathica got the Jagrafess, and Rose got the Dalek fleet.

Ten: A sycorax by setsuma, werewolf by moonlight laser, the Wire by betamax, the Beast by black hole, the Racnoss by the Thames, Prof. Lazarus by organ music, the pyroviles by volcano with Donna's help. Also very hands-on.

Eleven: Nobody yet. That fits Moffat's style.

Comments

[rees.livejournal.com]

So - could you do a count of 'fates worse than death' ?

[mayamaia.livejournal.com]

I think somebody has done that one, but I don't think I could. Besides, oddly, those seem to be perfectly fine within the Doctor's personal moral code, while just shooting a gun isn't usually. So they don't stick out as much.

[animate-mush.livejournal.com]

Technically, I think Omega knocks the recorder out of Two's hands his own self. Does that count?

In "The Seeds of Death" Two runs around hunting Ice Warriors with a mocked-up heat gun. He shoots more than a couple. It's honestly a little disturbing.

Six definitely kills a man with his own hands (and some chloroform). Also pretty disturbing.

He also personally kills all the Vervoids. And is promptly charged with genocide.

I also seem to recall him killing the Big Bad in his first episode with a vial of exploding something.

Does activating the Time Destructor count? Because if so, One kills not only Sara Kingdom but also every scrap of life on the planet of Kembel.

There was also that Roman he threw out the window, but that's borderline.

Four shoots down the Rutan ship.

Does Three kill the Nestene Intelligence in "Spearhead from Space" ?

Seven talks a Dalek to death. It's unclear, however, how much of it was killing and how much was merely driving it to suicide...

I'll think on this more. You raise an interesting point, all-told.

[mayamaia.livejournal.com]

I kind of just cried out when I read that about One. That explains why everyone attaches to Sara Kingdom but not Bret Vyon. Yes, yes I fear that counts. I would have given Nine the destruction of the Dalek fleet if he'd successfully activated the delta wave. ...I sort of feel like One, for all his reticence, would have been more likely to let himself actually feel sad about that than, well, any other doctor, though. All the rest bottle up and button up, more or less visibly. (Yes, even Ten the font of tears - he gets pissy rather than cry after Pompeii.)

Roman doesn't count, cause I think that was only the first or second story of the building.

I wasn't sure if Two was stunning or killing the Ice Warriors. If kill, yes it counts.

Liz Shaw got the Nestene.

No, I don't think Three Doctors Omega counts anymore.

Betcha Four has even more in there. Somehow, though, his kills don't bug me like Two's or ...*shivers*

Dear gosh, see why Six bugs me?! What is WRONG with him?! He doesn't even have Nine's trauma excuse! That poison must have induced psychosis.

Regardless, Seven did personally set the Hand of Omega to destroy Skaro's sun. We'll have to count that, though he did sort of make Davros pull his own trigger, didn't he? "Seven: daleks by manipulation."

[cameca.livejournal.com]

"I beg of you, Davros, don't use the hand!"

In the case of the Ice Warriors, they sort of disintigrated / disappeared in a flash of film exposure.

Oh, yes, Six is insane. But it's hard to blame him per se - I tend to blame the writers and directors. When you finally get around to watching his first episode, it's like, "okay, they decided to make the Doctor insane this time around. Dear team, what's wrong with you??" But the killing people isn't usually an issue of psychosis, more a result of the overall darker tone of the show at that point.

And for what it's worth, he gets really torn up about it. Well, except the guy he chloroforms, but said guy had just murdered a loveable side character (who owned the choroform, incidentally) for really no reason, so there was sort of a poetic justice to it. Nevertheless, decently disturbing.

Sara Kingdom is also in about twice as much show as Brett Vyon, and more than Katarina. There's a reason one of the tropes for that episode is "Stupid Sacrifice"...

[mayamaia.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Three sacrifices.

As far as I could tell from the bit I saw, Katerina was not really being stupid under her Doctor-centric beliefs. She was just... refusing to be used to his harm, because he would have given in for her sake. (Of course, we know that that would have been temporary and probably not resulted in her death, but she didn't.)

Bret Vyon and Sara Kingdom, though, were indeed senseless sacrifices. Poor Sara, living with what she'd done probably would have haunted her for ages if she'd lived.

[animate-mush.livejournal.com]

Ah, you got the Rutans. I don't think bringing the Crystal to the Great One counts, because she was asking for it and he warned her against it. So more assisted suicide? Rather like Seven with the Hand of Omega and Nemesis.

Did Seven kill the Candyman? I remember him sticking his feet to the floor two or three times, but I don't recall quite how he ended up in the tube of candied red death...

It's been so long since I've seen most Seventh Doctor episodes that I have no idea how they were resolved. Like, what did end up happening to the Gods of Ragnarok and/or Fenric? Eh, I'll get there.

Do we say that, technically speaking, Eight killed all of the Timelords? Maybe that question is made moot by "The End of Time." I'll have to see that eventually too.

[mayamaia.livejournal.com]

I don't know if the Time Lords were Eight or Nine (though yes, probably Eight), and Nine says that Gallifrey burnt, but I'm not so sure about the Time Lords EVER having been killed. Not sure that'll ever get sorted out. Ah the funkyness of time travel.

Fenric was killed by his lieutenant the head Haemovore. The Gods of Ragnarok... may have been killed with a cricket ball or something? I haven't seen that story in a long time myself.