Halfway into the Light

"Your life won't be complete until every woman you know has fallen in love with the Doctor to the exclusion of all other males."

And they are then, at the appointed time, to all simultaneously think "I LOVE THE DOCTOR", and the outpouring of angsty fan-girl energy (which you are clearly a nexus) will make you an all-powerful god.

C'mon Frannie, be a bit more creative in your nefarious plots.

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Oh come now, I can't be expected to think of EVERYTHING. I haven't even lived for a hundred years yet! I'm about a fifth of the age of Susan for goodness' sake!

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Susan's a hundred and twenty?

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...I'm not sure where I got that number from. But I always thought she was about 130.

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Wikipedia says she was 15. You are actually five thirds older.

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I don't know of an age given. The first date I know is Troughton at 450. The general progression is about 100 years per regeneration (which does not work when you measure it in companions, but oh well) which puts Hartnell about 300. But Wikipedia notwithstanding, Romana is ~130, and Susan is certainly much younger. She is definitely a child, whereas Romana is clearly an adult. (Romana has completed University and possibly an advanced degree in Doctor Studies, while highschool is appropriate for Susan). There's also at least one generational difference between her and the, as noted, quite young Doctor. We can maybe estimate a timelord generation between 100 and 150 years (given Romana as a model). That would put Susan definitely within her first century, and make the number 15 actually not that unreasonable.

Also, we don't know anything about the maturation process. Is the age of majority proportional to lifespan, or do they simply have much shorter childhoods? (I don't know how Elves and Dwarves work in Tolkien, as examples of other longevitous beings, but Hobbits seem to split the difference with the age of majority at 33 and extended teenage years - Pippin is such a spoiled rich kid).

So the long and the short of it is, depending on how we think timelords (or whatever she is) mature, I could put Susan anywhere from 15 to maybe 30 or 40.

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Aha! We have a source for the number! That's all I need.

(Still, it seems weird to me to have Time Lord childhoods so very small compared to their lifetimes.)

Someone told me the Doctor was 236 when he stole the TARDIS.

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236, eh? Well, that would work into the basic chronology. And presumably he stole the TARDIS well after Susan was born, because she remembers Gallifrey. Ah, so young and reckless.

Numbers are given...occasionally. Tomb of the Cybermen gets you 450. The Ribos Operation (I think) gives another number somewhere in the mid 700s, although the Doctor's and Romana's counts differ by...three years, I think. They get into a fight. I think it's somewhere in Trial of a Timelord that the number 900 comes up, and in Time and the Rani (the first 7th Doctor episode) it is mentioned that he and the Rani are the same age, which happens to be...936, I think. Something in there.

Of course, it's still Doctor Who, so Pertwee has lines like "Yes I'm a scientist! And I have been for many thousands of- well, for a very long time!" If he meant to say "years" in there, he's just...wrong. But there is otherwise a fairly good linear mapping.

Which means the tenth doctor should be in his mid 1300s or so.

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Well, at the beginning of Pyramids of Mars he says he's "something like 750 years old".

Now, these days he's claiming to be 903, so one wonders if he's using a different scale. When he said 450, he said "as you humans measure things" or something like that. One also wonders whether he is just lying about his age.

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He and Romana have an argue about it early in their relationship (somewhere in Key to Time) so the Pyramids of Mars number sounds "right."

Yeah, he might be lying or forgetful.

903 is a sloppy number. They explicitly give a larger number in Time and the Rani (though I don't recall what it was) and that was 3 full Doctors ago. Shame on the new show. They're just as inconsistent as the old show!

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Well, it is frustrating, but it makes for a huge amount of fan speculation.

Now, in the first new season, he said "900 years of phone box travel" which would have put the age at over 1100. But since then he has specifically said "903 years old" so we're a little bit frustrated.

The consensus seems to be that it's funnier to say he's lying about his age cause he doesn't want to admit he's passed the big one-oh-oh-oh. (I have that wallpaper on one of the computers here at school.)

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Besides, I'm already a god. It's getting a bit boring, to be honest.

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No you're not. Stop stroking your own ego. That's what your minions are for.

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Amen!

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Bad minion for denying the fact!

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As a point of interest, my husband has something the Doctor will never attain - facial hair! (*brigadier love*). Hence, I will never love the Doctor to the exclusion of all others. Also, having grown up as a heritage watcher, I see the Doctor as a spoiled overgrown kid, and in no way as a love interest. Admittedly, I sometimes see my husband as a spoiled overgrown kid, but as I said before, one with a beard.

I TAKE PERVERSE JOY IN THWARTING THE EVENTUAL COMPLETION OF YOUR LIFE!!!!

Also, even among the beard-haters --- you're competing with Wash. It'll never happen. (Sorry)

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*ahem* He may be absurdly aged, but still - The Leisure Hive. Long beard.

And we have further evidence that I am attacted to men who are overgrown kids. Wash cannot compete in this simply because anything Wash can do, the Doctor can do with more awesome. With the sole exception of Zoe.

We can make jokes about my supposed Gandalf obsessions elsewhere.

And you might be amazed by the long, drawn out, detailed joking conversations involving the Doctor and beards I have encountered....

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Bah. The Leisure Hive. Bah I say to you. In most cases, for a beard to be sexy it must be volitional. I am not arguing that that Doctor can't grow a beard (that would be just silly) but rather that he won't - and he therefore loses.

"Wash cannot compete in this simply because anything Wash can do, the Doctor can do with more awesome. With the sole exception of Zoe."<\i>

Important exception there! And as for the rest...I disagree! although we have left the realm where logical arguments are useful. But I will stand by my belief that SPOILAR! even pinned to a chair Wash is ten times hotter than all the Doctors put together. So there!

Although I am willing to admit that Wash with mustache was just silly.

Nevertheless, steadfastly I proclaim, in order of love of males:

Joel-Henry > Wash > ... > the Doctor

AND NONE SHALL SWAY ME! you'll just have to die unfulfilled.

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erm, yikes, left a tab open. Hope that works! If you can edit comments, feel free to fix the above and delete this one. (sorry)

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cannot edit comments.

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Darn. At least the open tag doesn't seem to be messing up threaded posts. Maybe I should just copy, delete my comment, and repost? Or maybe it doesn't actually matter. Sorry about that.

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